Parents of Jewish children in London have warned others to remain vigilant after discovering their sons and daughters had been targeted by a radical religious sect on social media. Pupils as young as 11 have been groomed on Facebook in recent weeks, being told to abandon their "liberal" schools and join an anti-Muslim sect of Judaism.
Children are contacted by a group claiming to be part of an "outreach project", saying they have been instructed to recruit "a network of young people". Specifically targeting Jewish children, they often befriend them on Facebook by pretending to know one of their friends.
"I later found out our home address was listed on my son's Facebook page, which this person could now see after he accepted a friend request. That was also worrying.
"Luckily my son is quite streetwise and would never have met this individual, despite repeated requests. But my younger child is different – she can be quite easily led. She goes to a different school and hasn't been targeted, but even her headteacher sent out an email warning last week about the issue."
He was contacted by a Facebook account under the name Mark Shipley. The transcript in full follows:
Chat log (March 2016)
Mark Shipley
how ru
Child
Fine
Mark Shipley
are u jewish
Child
Yes
Mark Shipley
how old r u?
Child
Do I know you?
Mark Shipley
its possible!
Child
Ok. Is there a reason you are messaging me?
Mark Shipley
r u in year 10?
Child
No
Mark Shipley
i think i may know u
Child
From where?
Mark Shipley
from [REDACTED]
Child
But how do I know you
Mark Shipley
maybe from football
Child
Football? I don't really play
Mark Shipley
how about 2day?
Child
What?
Mark Shipley
theres a match in [REDACTED] today 7 a side, wanna join?
Child
No thanks
Mark Shipley
do u know [REDACTED NAME]?
Child
I think he goes to my school
Mark Shipley
hes a neighbo of mine, have u been barmitzvah?
Child
Yes
Child
How old are you?
Mark Shipley
guess
Child
Your Facebook says 24. Why did you tag me to in that video?
Mark Shipley
if u r a jew u must watch this movie, i promise u you'll enjoy it
Mark Shipley
how is [CHILD'S NAME]?
Child
What?
Mark Shipley
how are you today?
Child
Not bad. I don't think I know you, is there a reason you've been messaging me?
Mark Shipley
yes
Child
Why?
Mark Shipley
unknown lol
Mark Shipley
u r a jew
Child
Yeah...
Mark Shipley
are u sure?
Child
Ummm yes
Mark Shipley
who took the jews into eretz yisrael?
Child
Joshua
Mark Shipley
what masechta is the halachos of eiruv in?
Child
No f*****g clue
Mark Shipley
ey, mind your language, how old r u?
Child
Are you a catfish?
Mark Shipley
no i am am not an animal, i am a jew a proud one
[CHILD'S SCHOOL] is not a school for jews, it for n*****s and muslims
Child
Is that a bad thing?
Mark Shipley
muslims and blacks are usually on the receiving end whereas jews are givers
Child
That seems to be a bit rascist
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME], if the world would stop being so concerned about racism, then what happened today in brussels wouldn't happen again and many lives would be spared. the truth is that without muslims in the world, there woul be no war and you can't deny that, also the blacks are less than 10% of uk and are nearly 40% of prison, fact? yes racism? irrelevant
Child
Is there a reason why everyone on your fb friends list is significantly younger than yourself? And why you keep asking my age? And why the two photos on your wall are both of different people, yet were uploaded within 5 mins of each other? And finally, why after speaking to me for approximately 22 minutes you asked me to meet you, despite us never having met before?
Mark Shipley
i am involved with outreach projects and that requires me to build up a network of young people in order to communicate through social media. I appreciate the need for security questions and that is very sensible of you given the security situation.
Child
I would love to know the names of such projects?
I need an answer Mark
Mark Shipley
answer for what?
Child
The names of the outreach projects that you work for
Mark Shipley
are you interested in joining?
Child
Tell me what it's called
Mark Shipley
the current project has no specific name per se, it is aimed at getting youths to watch a movie which convinces jewish youth to return to the ways of their forefathers
Child
So it's a racist, unnamed organised, with the sole aim of persuading children to watch a movie?
Mark Shipley
why racist?
that is our current project
Child
If I could quote you "[REDACTED] is not a school for jews, it for n*****s and muslims"
Mark Shipley
that statement was produced independent of our organisation
it was just my personal opinion
i hope that clarifies any doubts you may have on me [CHILD'S NAME], regards
Child
Does your organisation have a leader?
Mark Shipley
it is a group-led organisation
Child
Can you tell me some of the others of ur group?
Mark Shipley
ian wilk, bavviè loura'inne , liam eppton , aryeh feld and many others
why? you want to volunteer for us?
Child
I couldn't find a single one of those people on Facebook, or your friends list. It seems they aren't doing a very good job of building a network of young people
Mark Shipley
i am the facebook represantative and only recently began .
Child
So none of them have Facebook accounts?
Mark Shipley
we adults aren't pressured by friends to build up savvy profiles!
Child
Or Twitter accounts
Mark Shipley
unlike you, [CHILD'S NAME], i was never interested to find out!
ask your daddy if all his friends have social med. accounts, it's most defin. a no!
by the way what year are you in?
Child
Why does it matter?
Mark Shipley
just wondering what language is best for you!
if you are sceptical about my colleagues' existence, i can arrange a meeting with one of them for you
Child
I'm not sceptical, merely cautious
Mark Shipley
and they could explain to you all about our projects
don't worry we're not Christian missionaries
Mark Shipley
did you get the movie?
did you get the movie?
Mark Shipley
howrye
Child
Fine
Mark Shipley
me? i'm not too bad
Mark Shipley
can i help you?
Child
Having watched most of the film, I'm still completely unconvinced of gods existence
Mark Shipley
well then you did not watch the film, or you didn't understand it properly
Child
I understood it clearly. There was not one valid and sound proof of God expressed throughout
Mark Shipley
[REDACTED], may i ask how old you are?
Child
Why?
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] this film has turned some of the biggest atheists into religious jews, and these people were far more educated and experienced than yourself
Child
Bit rude
But still, there no valid argument proving gods existence
Mark Shipley
i am not saying you are unintelligent, i am sure you are a clever boy, but some of these people have the highest degrees in uni and in their 50s 60s and 70s so there's a difference
do you want to deny his existence?
Child
Yes
Please tell me then, one definitive proof of God that is impossible to deny
Mark Shipley
that's the problem [CHILD'S NAME], unless you open yourself up and be 1000% honest with yourself you will be stubborn and deny him, you have to have the will to find the truth and without that you will never succeed
Child
Once again that's an invalid answer
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] you must change the attitude otherwise i could say anything and you will constantly be unhappy
Child
If I open myself up and be 1000% honest with myself, and decide that the world was created by a flying teacup, whose to say that's wrong but the Abrahamic God is?
Mark Shipley
i can do this by phone or skype,
Child
I would be happy if you gave me one single valid and sound proof to Gods existence
Of course I'm going to be unhappy, because you can't give me a proof
Because it doesn't exist
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] i have a suit that was created by itself, it jus appeared from the sky, do you beleive me?
Child
No
Mark Shipley
and you beleive that the human being with the brain which even the most complex computer is not even 1% as intelligent, and all the organs working together, the heart lungs, liver , stomach , hundreds of thousands of nerves , blood vessels, cells, genes, muscle, bone is all random, it had no creator, but a simple suit of linen must have had one?
Child
The creator of all that was millions of years of natural selection, evolution and mutation
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] i could spend hours writing to you but as long as you have a "negative attitude" you will never be happy.
Child
Denying evolution is nearly as stupid as denying gravity
Mark Shipley
think carefully about what you just said
Child
I have done
Anyone with a proper education or a shred of common sense would struggle to deny evolution
Mark Shipley
i need to speak to you [CHILD'S NAME] or your parents
Child
About?
Mark Shipley
are you a jew?
Child
Technically
Mark Shipley
is your mummy a jew?
Child
Yes
Mark Shipley
do you want to continue living the way you do?
i just want to know what your heart says
yes?
how old are you?
Child
I'm happy living with the knowledge that God doesn't exist. My heart doesn't say anything, being an organ dedicated to pumping blood, but my brain says that the concept of God is about as likely as the Tooth Fairy.
Why the interest in my age?
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME], what is your age
Child
Mark, why do you ask?
Mark Shipley
i am 23 and you?
i want to know your level
what time do [SCHOOL'S NAME] finish tomorrow
Mark Shipley
when does your school end tomorrow?
Child
My level?
Mark Shipley
yes
Child
What does that mean?
Mark Shipley
ok, i get it, it's fine
what was the film about?
when was the film?
when did you watch it
Child
The film is about Judaism, I watched it on the 30th of march
Mark Shipley
it's sadly a situation of your character not your "lack of" beliefs
Child
The only thing that is lacking is evidence
Mark Shipley
what's your phone number, i will not let you live as if you are an animal , because you are not, even though you may "beleive" you are
i'll see u at [SCHOOL'S NAME]
Child
Ummm, no thanks
Mark Shipley
it's fine, i'll see you there, i live not far anyway!
Child
I don't think so
Mark Shipley
i've done this before! with other kids
Child
Done what?
Mark Shipley
gone to schools
Child
And how to you intend on getting in?
Mark Shipley
i did it last time in [SCHOOL NAME]
Child
That's not an answer
To see who?
Mark Shipley
don't worry, i'll see you there
[CHILD'S NAME]
if you think i'm joking , think again or wait till tomorrow
Child
I'm going to have to kindly ask you not to show up to my school
Mark Shipley
sorry i have no choice
Child
How so?
Mark Shipley
i'll see you there, good night
Child
I'm afraid I'm going to have to alert my parents of this
Mark Shipley
about what?
Child
You threatening to find me at my school
It's a security threat
Child
about what you said earlier?
Mark Shipley
i'm just a jew
Child
Good night
Mark Shipley
about g-d, i hope your parents don't know about your anti-semitic beliefs
look [CHILD'S NAME] i don't want any security threats if that's the case i will stay put
Child
Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group.
I merely said that God does not exist. No prejudice, hatred or discrimination.
Mark Shipley
what accent did the narrator have on the film, scottish or irish?
DoN't check the film now
Mark Shipley
hello?
are you in [SCHOOL NAME] now?
Mark Shipley
hello
Mark Shipley
hi, [CHILD'S NAME] we both know you are not an animal even if you think you are one
Child
Every human is an animal - fact
Mark Shipley
so why don't you sell yourself?
Child
because it would decrease my utility
Mark Shipley
why bother living ? why go to dentist? why go to doctor? shopping? have arguments? why work for years to get qualifications? what for?why? it's your choice if you want to live? why bother with eeverything? there are 7 billion in this world? who needs you? the world can survive without you! why go through life which is dfficult? you claim to have no purpose?
Child
Because of the evolutionary instinct to survive. Duh
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] it makes me sad
if your grandparents or great, great grandparents said these thought of things , it's a different story, but i'm convinced that if you just go a few generations back you'll find that your ancestors were religious, god fearing jews who carried the tradition for over 3000 years
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] , be honest, did you watch it or not?
i don't want to
look, [CHILD'S NAME] i'm not trying to knock you out or make you feel stupid, i'm only trying to help you
Child
You deny evolution, but fully believe in an invisible deity who cannot be observably contacted, seen or heard. I definitely do not feel stupid talking to you...
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] i would appreciate if you could please answer my questions
Child
I did watch it
Mark Shipley
did you watch the movie, yes or no
Child
Yes
Now you answer my question
In what way is God more likely to exist than a scientifically proven theory such as evolution?
Mark Shipley
did you investigate your roots?
Child
How is that relevant?
Mark Shipley
i cannot help you unless you change your attitude. If you don't want to believe in the truth, you will never accept it, no matter how clear it is,
Child
Mark i would appreciate if you could please answer my questions
Mark Shipley
i asked you and would like an answer please
Child
Explain how it is clear
Mark Shipley
watch torah and science at least part 1
Child
You said "i cannot help you unless you change your attitude. If you don't want to believe in the truth, you will never accept it, no matter how clear it is" If you simply explained why this truth is so clear then I might believe. Merely stating that there is a truth will never convince me. Tell me right now one way in which this truth is so clear. If you direct me to that film, answer with another question, or do anything other than answering the simple question I'm giving you, then I will block you immediately.
Mark Shipley
it's sad how innocent jewish children lose the faith that was held by their ancestors for over 3000 years despite torture, persecution , blood and tears, because their parents decided to send them to non jewish school
Child
I could not have been more clear
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME], how old are you
Child
Faith is not evidence
Why do you care about my age?
Mark Shipley
do you want to speak face to face?
Child
No. I don't trust you. If you can't answer my question now, you clearly don't know enough about Judaism to defend it properly
Mark Shipley
[CHILD'S NAME] excuse me if i'm rude but your attitude seems to be the same on everything, anything i ask you, the way you respond
even the biggest rabbi cannot help you unless you be honest with yourself and open up
Child
If you do not give a straight answer next time you send me a message, I'm going to assume that you know nothing of religion.
The question is simple.
What one single piece of evidence proves Gods existence
Answer the question
Mark Shipley
I was asking for your age because it would help me better understand your circumstancs
the brain
Child
That proves evolution...
Mark Shipley
how are you today [CHILD'S NAME]?
Child
Goodbye mark
Mark Shipley
what accent did the narrator on the film have?
answer me please
TELL ME NOW
TELL ME NOW
Child
I think you are likely a paedophile. Even if you aren't you're racist, stupid and clearly uneducated as well as brainwashed and unwilling to accept fact over a really old fairy tale. With that I'm blocking you, showing this conversation to my parents who will likely call the police.